Israel Ricky Gonzales
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Is Satan really a liar, and the father of the lie?
by Israel Ricky Gonzales in5 for god knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like god, knowing good and bad.. .
genesis 3:22. jehovah god then said: here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad..".
for god knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like god, knowing good and bad.?.
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Israel Ricky Gonzales
GENSIS 2:15-17Jehovah God took the man and settled him in the garden of Eʹden to cultivate it and to take care of it. 16 Jehovah God also gave this command to the man: “From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. 17 But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.”GENESIS 3:1-2At this the woman said to the serpent: “We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden. 3 But God has said about the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden: ‘You must not eat from it, no, you must not touch it; otherwise you will die.’”EVE EVIDENTLY DID NOT KNOW THE COMMAND FROM GOD. SHE DID NOT SAY THE TREE BY NAME, REFERRING TO IT AS THE TREE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GARDEN, AND ASSUMED THAT MERELY TOUCHING IT WOULD RESULT IN DEATH.GENESIS 3:4, 54 At this the serpent said to the woman: “You certainly will not die. 5 For God knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and bad.”THIS IS SATAN'S CLAIM. DID HE REALLY LIE?GENESIS 3:7Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized that they were naked. So they sewed fig leaves together and made loin coverings for themselves.SATAN SAID THAT THEIR EYES WOULD BE OPEN. IT HAPPENED AND THATS WHEN THEY REALIZED THAT THEY WERE NAKED.ADDITIONALLY, COULD TWO HUMANS, WHO DID NOT KNOW THAT THEY WERE NAKED, POSSIBLY COMPREHEND THE CONSEQUENCES OF EATING THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT AND COMPREHEND THE CONCEPT OF DEATH?GENESIS 3:22Jehovah God then said: “Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad.."DID SATAN REALLY LIE WHEN HE SAID: "You certainly will not die. For God knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and bad.”?ADAM AND EVE DID NOT CERTAINLY DIE THE DAY THEY ATE OF THE FRUIT. ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE, ADAM WENT ON TO LIVE FOR 930 YEARS, SO HE DID NOT DIE IN THAT DAY AS GOD HAD FORETOLD.SOME ARGUE THAT 1,000 YEARS IS AS ONE DAY TO GOD, SO TECHNICALLY THEY DID DIE IN THAT DAY. BUT DID ADAM KNOW THAT 1,000 YEARS ARE AS ONE DAY TO GOD AND THAT IF HE ATE OF THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT, HE WOULD GO ON TO LIVE 930 YEARS, AND THEN DIE BEFORE HE REACHED 1,000 YEARS OLD?OTHERS ARGUE THAT IF ADAM AND EVE DID NOT EAT OF THE FRUIT, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE DIED, THEREFORE LIVING FOREVER. BUT THERE IS NO INDICATION FROM GOD THAT THEY WOULD INDEED LIVE FOREVER. IN FACT, HE DID NOT ALLOW ADAM AND EVE TO PARTAKE OF A TREE THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO LIVE FOREVER, EVEN ORDERING AN ANGEL TO PERPETUALLY PROTECT THE TREE FROM ALL FUTURE HUMANS.GOD ACKNOWLEDGED THAT AFTER EATING OF THE FRUIT, THE FIRST COUPLE BECAME LIKE GOD, KNOWING GOOD AND BAD, JUST AS SATAN STATED TO THE FIRST COUPLE.BY TAKING IN KNOWLEDGE, THEIR EYES WERE FINALLY OPENED, THEY REALIZED THAT THEY WERE NAKED, THEY DID BECOME LIKE GOD KNOWING GOOD AND BAD, AND THEY DID NOT CERTAINLY DIE IN THE DAY OF THEIR EATING OF THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT.SO, WAS SATAN REALLY A LIAR, THE FATHER OF THE LIE, AND A MANSLAYER FROM THE BEGINNING? -
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"And what happened next was simply unbelievable!"
by Terry ini always sit in the same spot, just outside starbucks in a vestibule area with a table in the air-conditioned space.
i say "always," but not today.. somebody with two laptops and a table filled with business ledgers was in "my" favorite spot!.
so, i took a tiny wooden table inside the coffee shop on a long padded bench next to 3 other identical tables.. as the clickbait banner ads like to say: "and what happened next was simply unbelievable!".
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Israel Ricky Gonzales
Why could you wait until Sunday for this to happen??!!
Epic Terry! Epic!
Dont feel bad. Anything contrary to their belief system will be traumatic. I think they may just be tuning in for the royal commission for the rest of the hearing.
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Bumbling idiots..... RC & JW broadcast
by snare&racket inone of the contributing factors to me leaving was the realisation we were being led by idiots.
bethel life reinforced that, middle aged ego's trying to suck up to brooklyn.
ray franz book was a final nail for me, because he described the same incompetence along with the same ego's.
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Israel Ricky Gonzales
The GB were held in high esteem because they were not in the limelight. JW broadcasting has definitely exposed their real personalities.
Unfortunatley, the rank n file believe that Jesus picked unlettered and ordinary men to lead his congregation. The GB are definitely unlettered, but very unordinary.
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Soooo, when I tell you I feel it's a cult
by cognac inwhy would you proceed to invite me to their meetings?
wtf?
how much clearer can i make my stance????
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Just wrote my DA letter....
by dubstepped inmy wife and i planned on fading but the elders now want a shepherding call and we are just done.
i know that many play the game to try to stay in, but i'm not a game player and neither is my wife.
our families already shun us because we reached out to a disfellowshipped family member.
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Israel Ricky Gonzales
I'm sure it will be announced at the congregation that has your publisher cards.
The book, Captives of a Concept, put it succinctly: 10,000 words wont make a difference if they aren't ready to face the truth about the organization, but a few choice words will make all the difference with someone who is ready.
I was disfellowshipped because I found out too much TTATT, but either way, it's the same thing: DF or DA = complete shunning. The bright side is that you can be your true self without having to look over your shoulder for other JW's.
I couldn't put on two faces. Once I knew it was all a sham, I was done. Why waste time and energy?
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Do JW's believe in hell?
by Israel Ricky Gonzales ini had a pretty good meet up today with some good buddies and one of them brought up a great point from the greatest man book.
doesn't it look like jw's believe in hell to you from the picure of the rich man and lazarus?.
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Israel Ricky Gonzales
I had a pretty good meet up today with some good buddies and one of them brought up a great point from the Greatest Man book. Doesn't it look like JW's believe in hell to you from the picure of the rich man and Lazarus?
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For Active JW Men: Ideas on Awakening Your JW Spouse (Long post)
by Open mind indisclaimer: your mileage may vary.
if you are a married, "active, in good standing" (tm), jw male who has recently discovered that the .
watchtower is not what it claims to be, this thread is for you.
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Israel Ricky Gonzales
I was a respected ministerial servant when I started waking up to TTATT. I never once wanted to share anything with my wife because it was too traumatic for me. I didn't want to traumatize her at the same time. But she kept prodding me why I wasn't myself and so I shared a morsel with her. Rinse and repeat a few week later. Rinse and repeat a few week later, again. Well, my wife ended up giving me the ultimatum: go to the elders or I will because it's my spiritual obligation.
In that process, the elders turned their back on me and did some pretty hurtful things to me, eventually disfellowshipping me. By that time, I didn't want to be a JW anyways, but I didn't want my family ripped away from me either.
There is no easy way, nor is there a tried and true method in waking up a spouse. I've heard before: The JW's are in love with the organization. Who breaks up with someone they are in love with? Only until they fall out of love with the organization will they be ready to wake up.
Those are wise words in my opinion. NOTHING will work until they are ready. Unfortunately, my wife is still in love with the organization despite the TTATT I shared with her, AND despite telling her what the elders personally did to me. It hurts like hell knowing she chose to trust and believe an organization and sneaky, conniving, heartless elders over her own husband. I don't know if things will ever be the same, even if she wakes up.
Hats off to those who have successsfully woke up their spouse, and to those couples who woke up together. I don't think I could have faked being a JW any longer than I had to when I was DF'd. I could barely give a service meeting part, go out in field service, or give a public talk when I was awake.
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One year of being free
by Israel Ricky Gonzales inone year ago, this thursday, i went to work as usual.
i got home, ate dinner, got myself dressed for the meeting, and helped my kids get ready like i usually did.. my son had a talk that evening, his second one.
many of my family went to support him.
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Israel Ricky Gonzales
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Dallas / Fort Worth meet up
by Israel Ricky Gonzales ina couple of us xjws and awake jws meet for coffee and brunch every few sunday's.
im me if you are interested.
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Israel Ricky Gonzales
A couple of us XJWs and awake JWs meet for coffee and brunch every few Sunday's. IM me if you are interested. -
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Are they trying to make me feel like crap?
by StarTrekAngel inso i have not reported a single hour of fs or family worship in over 8 months.
have not given a single comment in a meeting for over a year.
a few weeks ago, my brother in law, who is an ms now, approached me.
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Israel Ricky Gonzales
I would never think of asking an inactive JW to help with demos when I had parts that called for it. When I became a MS, I started asking any active JW to help with demos, just to spice things up from hearing the same 6-8 people in the congregation give demos. I asked a barely active but regular JW couple to help give the WT and Awake presentations for the month and my COBE approached me that I should run it by him who I used onstage for demos because the couple were not a zealous example.
Something is very fishy with the original post. There is probably something behind the BIL and the elders motives to ask you to do this part.